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The art of argument | Jordan Peterson

July 5, 2019

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  • Reply Neppo July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    JP's vocabulary is really really impressive.

  • Reply lostkiddie July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    This appears to have been extracted from a larger lecture. Could we have all of it please?
    Can't have enough of Dr.Jordan

  • Reply joe bryan July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    a good punch in the nose seems to work well…

  • Reply BLΛCK SΛMPLE July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    This is one of the few times where Jordan Peterson is actually completely correct and helpful. Nuanced without the rambling! 🙂

    But if you ask him about his belief about the existence of a god, step back and watch the rambling commence…

  • Reply cahenderson0812 July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I like the idea of helping a person form their position. There's a lot to glean from that.

  • Reply ThatDamnedYankee July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Oh boy…it would seem that I have long hours of practice ahead of me. 😉

  • Reply akinoreh July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I'd like to provide (Turkish) subtitles for this video. I liked the video/topic/Jordan (he should be heard 🙂 ), so I'll do the translation anyway. I'd also like to post/embed it on this video. Would you mind turning on community contributions?

  • Reply Vik De Leon July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    This guy inspires with his words

  • Reply Fubar AlAkbar July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    But the problem is, leftists think their ideology dictates reality, instead of the other way around. "This mountain is not on my map, therefore the mountain is wrong." "Capitalism produced more wealth for you than socialism produced for me, therefore you cheated."

    It's impossible to engage with this kind of person.

  • Reply William Freeman July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I'm taking the position that his left ear, sticks out more than his right one. (so there)

  • Reply mustang607 July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    No wonder leftists don’t want to debate. They may discover their wrong. They can’t have that happen. Some of them may walkaway.

  • Reply michael rodrigues July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Winning an argument with your wife? When has that ever happened???

  • Reply Project 33 July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Be the word made flesh

  • Reply janet fish July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Grammy and Grampy used to argue eachothers side, and would Never go to bed til things between them were settled. Raised 5 successful children, stayed married til death.

  • Reply Tom Korte July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    The Liberals here in Canada are importing foreigners and creating neighborhoods that you don't want to visit at an alarming rate. They believe that as soon as someone is issued a piece of paper that makes them a Canadian and will probably start letting the entire third world download DIY Canadian passports off the internet.

  • Reply The Molecule FX boulder July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Hey JP fans.  JP says "Agreeableness negatively predicts success in the workplace."  This research paper says JP is 180 degrees wrong.  Who do you think is right?  JP also says that "Violent crime rates have plummeted over the las 60 years.  This data source says JP is 180 degrees wrong also, comments?  http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm.  JP has also said he wants Trump to be 'normally incompetent.  What about that does not sound completely ridiculous?  I cannot fathom why these kind of statements qualify as 'the art of argument', unless of course you want to lose the argument.  Thoughts?   Anyone care to defend JP on those?

  • Reply Anazble July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    This is a man who came out of his ordeal stronger.

  • Reply Barack Obama July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    m havin a big think boys… M HAVIN A BIG THINK!

  • Reply Susan Tower July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I love it that his talk ended on a word I had to look up. Pedagogy. The act of teaching esp theoretical subjects in an academic setting.

  • Reply sarah deason July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    His teachings are powerful…I would have loved to be in his class…He makes me think like no one else…He is a unique individual and we can trust that he has given much thought to his ideas and teachings…Someone we can trust to deliver the truth and highly valuable information..

  • Reply jerry greene July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Perhaps the clearest glimpse into the question of 'Jordan Peterson, genius or charlatan' can be gathered from his YT channel description. If any JP fans disagree with my analysis in brackets, glad to hear it.

    From JP YT channel: "I have been working on the belief that transcendent values genuinely exist; that they are in fact the most tangible realities of being. Such values have to be discovered, as much as invented, during the dance of the individual with society and nature. Then they have to be carefully integrated and united into something powerful and stable… However, now, for the first time in history, lectures can have, or even exceed, the reach and duration of books. Ideas presented in lecture format can be less daunting. They can be offered simultaneously to many people. They can be preserved for long periods of time."

    [JP is a fan of 'I chose my language very carefully, to communicate in a precise manner'. Let's break down this language. Transcendent means extraordinary. So JP is telling us here that extraordinary or important values exist? I doubt any 6th grader doesn't already know that, but thank you JP. Most tangible realities of being? Does that mean they are important in someone's life? Thank you again JP for working on your belief in this phenomenal insight. They have to be discovered? Does this mean during the course of your life in the dance between society and nature you learn what is important to you? OK, but do you have a point here dude? Wait for it… Lectures can be given to many people at once. Wow, this is some serious intellectualism. Either that or a guy whose ideas never move beyond the mundane and obvious, who nonetheless delivers them in over-indulgent vocabulary and grandiose self-importance. Here is my challenge to any JP fan. When you lift his robe a few inches you realize the whole phenomena is the emperor's new clothes. One fan says I criticize JP fans because I would lose in an actual debate with him. I don't think so. Any time, any place, any issue. Just name it JP.]

  • Reply Suzy Siviter July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    2nd rule, always try and find something they said you can agree on and quote that back in your response, this makes them more likely to take on board your point of view.

  • Reply Suzy Siviter July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    1st rule, never get angry, once you lose your temper, you can be manipulated in argument. Look up the 'duck season, rabbit season' bugs bunny sketch, its is a wonderful demonstration of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5PW6SNHNJk

  • Reply Vincent Law July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Is it just me or is this a very unusual format and camera angel for JBP

  • Reply Freddy Franco July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Great lesson.

  • Reply AlexReynard July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I had a thought while watching this:When we persistently fear something that is not real, we will make it become real. That is how much we need to feel validated. We would rather face our worst nightmare, just to be comforted by the fact that we were right all along to be afraid of it.

  • Reply Vance Biondo July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    I like an agree with ( WHST YOU SAY) and think your right .. and appreciate this view. No one can always be right and the reason for the argument or debate should be THE REASON FOR THE ARGUMENT OR DEBATE and to know when your wrong I'ds educational and . Benefiting to . The other person. And some times to agree to dis agree. Is healthy . When u get 2 people dead set and aggressive on their stance and . Belief. Lol it's stupid to argue for hours with 2 people that wont change their minds you waste time AND NITHER ONE IS LISTENING TO THE OTHER their to busy trying to prove their point moot conversation at best if not NON PRODUCTIVE AND. Destructive .

  • Reply Stuart Keith Guitars July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    As an engineer…the best approach to problem solving is to break things down, as much as possible, into basic assumptions…and thoroughly TEST every assumption. I didn't start off that way, let me tell you, but making aviation parts sort of forced that discipline. Soon I realized that often, I'M the problem.

    A true educator, engineer, doctor….is humble enough to acknowledge when they are wrong.

    Now compare THAT to the basic liberal mentality today.

  • Reply Vance Biondo July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Pinyahta petersons propaganda

  • Reply AvatarEnd777 July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    There is no one on the morally and intellectual bankrupt Left like this.

  • Reply The Molecule FX boulder July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Listening to a JP interview right now:  'Men and Women differ in two ways, biological and cultural.  Some consider this shocking, but science has known this for a long time.'  Help me Jesus.

  • Reply Octane Art Canada July 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Im a model!

    Cant turn left… blue steel on point…

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